#238: Darrell "Flash" Gordon: Change Does Not Occur in a Flash
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EP. 238
Tony: [00:00:00] Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Reclamation Podcast, where our goals to help you reclaim good practices for following Jesus. If we haven't met yet, my name is Tony and I'm your host with over a decade in the local church. I care deeply and passionately. About helping you connect with Jesus in practical ways.
Guys, I'm so excited for this conversation today. I get to talk to Daryl Flash Gordon, member of the Notre Dame National Championship Team Change agent, speaker, author. Movement leader, his resource change does not happen in a flash is so good. And we talk about the change process. We talk about stories. We talk about what it means to pour into the next generation.
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Maybe somebody who thinks change needs to happen now. Now, without any further ado, let's jump into my conversation. With Daryl Gordon. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. I'm so excited today to have a new friend of mine, author, speaker former Notre Dame, football star, Daryl Flash, Gordon Flash.
Thank you so much for being here today.
Darrell: Thank you. Thank you, Tony. I'm so excited about being here and having a great time and conversing with you today, so, so we'll have a great time today. Thank you for inviting me.
Tony: Well, one of the things that I really love to start with is asking people about kind of the macro calling that God has placed on your life.
And so I'm, I'm curious, how would you describe the calling that God has for.
Darrell: You know, I, it, it's, it's been clear for me, right? God has asked me to, [00:02:00] to, to take care of his children, right? Mm-hmm. , and, and I, I've sometimes heard it, sometimes I didn't hear it, Tony, but, but you know, finally, I, I picked up on the message after so many after so many opportunities of, of understanding what God is trying to say and Pauling was to even do the work at Warley Youth and Family Treatment Center, where we provide therapeutic treatment for young men and women that have been abused, neglected, or abandoned.
So I, I didn't know he wanted me to work with, with such a, a. Precious group of, of, of young men and women. But but he gives you only what you can handle, right? So, and I am so excited about the work that I do, and our team within our organization is just excited about the work that we do. And we get to transform the lives of young men and women that really dealing with difficult things, both mentally, physically, sexually, and we get them out of that space and get them back to their respective homes so that they could be.
[00:03:00] Viable citizens within their own communities and children. Well, one of the
Tony: interesting things about your story is that it involves a lot of sports, a lot of education. How did you end up at We, I mean, right, like it seems like out of all the places that you could have chosen to do the work and you have so many connections in the world, why, how, how did God kind of, how did you know that God was calling you there?
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Darrell: You know, it's interesting that you say that because, you know, with with, with my, you know, with, you know, as the book mentions a lot about my spiritual, my mom, I had five brothers and sisters, and I was the one that always called to go to church. Hmm. And at the end of the day That, you know, Bible study, you know, the, the, the church on Sundays, children's Church.
Right. Revival on Wednesdays. Right? I, I was there all the time, Tony. And I think that just. That started my engine going and and, and then I, you know, had the opportunity to go to Notre Dame and, and, [00:04:00] and not intentionally knowing that there was such a, a faith-based Dr backdrop there in the way in which every dorm had a chapel and, and there's a big sacred heart church where you can, you know, really be in awe of that fac that that church and, and one of the, I think it's one of the 10 wonders of the world is unbelievable, but it, it, it really pulls you closer.
To, to Christianity. And I, and I just got more refueled. And then after leaving, you know, I, I, I did some work in different fields and then became an attorney, thought I wanna be a sports attorney and be back in the field of sports. And guys said, listen, I got something else for you. And, and as I was in the sporting field, I was working for the n ncaa and we, we started a character development program for youth right there.
And, I was working in a membership department, so really helping to interpret the rules and regulations after law school on the laws that, that, that governed our, our institutions. And but, but this program, the NFL N B A, national Hockey [00:05:00] Association, national Track, national High School, all of these groups, We're coming together to address the issue on character.
And n c said, listen, we'll embrace it. We'll take it on. I think we got the guy in-house that really can, can help us grow this and we'll give it back to you when we're done right. And you all could begin to implement the program. And that they asked if I would be willing to start this program. And I, and I did.
And. and it, it, you know, it was just a calling for me to, to do kinda work. And later, you know, this opportunity came about with Worley Youth and Family Treatment Center. So I said, I'll, I'll go. A friend of mine says, Hey, come on down and check it out. And I, I go down and it's a hundred acre campus, a beautiful campus, but, but needed a little help.
Right. And. And I thought, wow, what a, what a diamond in a rough, right? Just a great place. And I got there and and after, you know, several interviews and there, there was, I think it was you. There was candidates on the, there was just hundreds of candidates I remember. And it came down to two people, myself and this other gentleman.
But the other [00:06:00] gentleman was seasoned. I was 35 at the time. He was 55 and he was a clinician and he understood their issues and at the end the board says, Hey Darl, we are so sorry, but the board was split. And, and they went with the other gentleman. I said, well, I, I understand cuz I, I still love my work at D N C A A and And I went back to work, and then six months later I get a phone call and like I say, God, when God works and he moves, he, he is serious about that movement.
And he said, Hey I, I want you to spend your time here and. . And I remember going on campus and I, you know, and I accepted the opportunity when they came the second time and, and I was the fourth c e o in two years. And I thought, you know, I don't want be the , I don't want the fifth one to come right behind you,
So we had a lot of conversation about strategy and goals and expectations, right? I, I thought I'd have that put out a table early so I'd know what, what my expectations were. But, but I thought the, the best thing. , you know, but I'd probably be [00:07:00] there three years and, you know, and it was my opportunity to get my feet.
We were wet as a ceo. It really helped transform them. And after three years I said I needed another and I needed another. And God says, you need more and more and you need this and build that. And, and we transformed the entire campus, you know, 20 years later. So it's been a, it's been a real blessing for me in my family to have an opportunity to change the lives of young women and men.
And it's not be all about widgets and dollars and, and stock options and all of those things that I could have been in, you know, working on Wall Street for years and, and doing some other stuff. I felt like I was, was helping mankind, which was, which was gratifying.
Tony: I love that. I, I'm, I'm really curious what do you, what, what have you learned about God as you've walked alongside families in treatment?
Because I, I would imagine when Jesus talks about the least of these, there's a lot of people. [00:08:00] Who, who maybe come across your path that at least for a season would fall into those categories. Pr i, I mean, prayerfully not forever, right? But like for a season, I would imagine showing up as a family to a treatment center has gotta be one of the scariest moments.
What, what have you learned about the character of God on these, on this journey?
Darrell: You, he is , you know, maybe not in particular as it relates to the families, but as it relates to Warren Lane. Yeah. It, he's, he's clear This is my facility. Mm. And it's been around for 140 years. And these are my kids. And, and you need not worry about infrastructure, finances, all of those things, cuz I will make sure those are taken care of.
Your responsibility, Daryl, is to make sure you transform my children and provide the infrastructure and the, and the, and the, the, the pieces that are necessary, the staff, the buildings, the culture, all of those things that are necessary to build a [00:09:00] great organization and help to transform children. That, that that's what I want you to do for me.
And, and he's clear cause there's been. Tony where it's been rough. It's been tough, you know, in the industry, you know, and especially coming out of a covid, you know where, where you have to be present. We don't get to say we're gonna work from home because our kids reside on our campus. Sure. So there's mandates of, you know, one staff to every four kids and, and you have to hold firm to that and be present cuz they need 24 hour supervision.
So, so and then you got, you know, you got the staff crises. You know, that we're a staffing crisis where there's less and less people available to, to provide that service or who, who are willing to provide that service. But, but I always know when, when families come to answer your question, when families come and it, it's Christ in the same place as us helping to transform their children.
And and that's the, that's the blessing of having a Lutheran. [00:10:00] Affiliated organization. Right. It's interesting. I, I, you know, my book, I was talking about it and the revelation really came to mind where my mom spent, you know, 18 years with me in developing spiritually. Then I, without no understanding, I go to Notre Dame not knowing why I went there.
Right. Had opportunities to, you know, the goal anywhere in the country, but that's where he lands me. And I knew nothing about Notre. And, and there's five years of spiritual development. And then I find myself 20 years at a Lutheran affiliate organization, a faith-based nonprofit. Right. I'm like, it's gotta be God.
Right? Right. So, so it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm just following his trail and and that's, that, that's where my energy and my enthusiasm come, you know, just from following. His, his request. And hopefully I can be obedient to his request on a consistent basis. Cuz sometimes it's challenging Doug. Amen. . [00:11:00] But well you sure you want me to be here?
You sure you want me to do what I'm doing? And and he, he always confirms, so, so yes. You know, our families I think really appreciate the work we do. I know we are doing from a spiritual perspective and I think. that speaks volumes in comparison to those facilities that are doing it without a faith-based backdrop.
you know, which is so important.
Tony: One of the things that we say around here a lot is that if you're not dedicated to your disciplines, you'll be destroyed by your distractions. And you, you seem to me like a very disciplined guy. I'm kind of curious if you could take us through some of your, like your non-negotiables, that, that make you the best version of you on a daily basis.
Darrell: Well, it's interesting, my non-negotiables, you know, my non-negotiables are, are first of all, you know, you, I, I, I will not allow anyone to get in the middle or in the way of my five 30 workouts. Hmm. You know, and, and that's [00:12:00] really my time with my, with myself, and physically, mentally, and time with my children too.
Tony: So, My son, he's a you know, he's an all-state football player, quarterback and number, number one dual threat in Indiana.
Darrell: Well, number one, dual threat in Indiana. And he works hard, right? He puts a lot of time in and you know, a daughter who, who also, you know, is an all-state basketball player and currently in college now at Harvard.
And just, you know, and just really. , you know, you gotta find the time to spend with them. And those are non-negotiables for me. You know, my time with my children and I, I grab it whenever I can and sometimes it's in the morning. Right? That's maybe when I can have my time with them. Those are non-negotiables.
I also just, just, you know, respecting, you know mankind, like that's non negotiable regardless of who you are. You deserve to be. And, and I try to teach that in the folks that we work with, you know, in [00:13:00] our children, my own children, that, you know, everyone deserves to be respected regardless of their position, their economic status their ethnic background.
They deserve to be respected. And I, and I think also non-negotiable is my time of Christ, right? If it's on Sunday's Church or if it's in prayer I, I don't negoti. That, you know, those are other non-negotiables as it relates to my life. And and, and I am really disciplined about strategy , like I, I, I don't think you can live your life without a strategy.
And you know, I, in my book, I found change in the process of change and 80% of the American people never change until they experience a severe degree of discomfort. Think about that. 80% of us never change, only until we experience something drastic. Hmm. It's, it's a heart attack, right? We decided to eat better, or it's, [00:14:00] it's bankruptcy.
We decided I gotta get my finances together. Or perhaps it's, I, I got an F on my exam now I gotta step my game up in the classroom. Right. or perhaps I, I was doing something unethical and now I'm gonna get on my knees and says, God, now I'll give you the time you need. If you can get me out of this. Right.
Those, that's when we begin the change process. And that's non-negotiable. We should be, we should be forthright and early in the process. Right, and, and changing way before that, like the 20 percentile of the people that are doing it. That's, that's, that's where I think, you know, the life of important.
Tony: It's, interesting to me as I kind of dive into your story more and more that you, you weren't exactly sure why you went to Notre Dame, although you clearly felt called there and now you're an expert strategic planner and you've done it for hundreds, if not thousands of, of companies and people all over you know, all over the world really did.
Did you learn how to [00:15:00] become a strategic planner, or, or is that something that you think that was hardwired in you, that Notre Dame or, or a coach brought out of you? And are we hardwired that way, that 20% and then the rest of us, you know, the 20% who like change or they just hardwired that way and the, the rest of us have to kind of learn it?
Or is it just a learn skill that some people get earlier than others?
Darrell: Yeah, I, you know, it's interesting. I 20 years ago, I remember I went to a, a certification class at Harvard. It was strategic planning and nonprofit profit at Harvard University. It was for, I think for several weeks and, and it was all about strategy for nonprofits, and I think I needed that to determine how to strategize my life.
As related to my career and warn right, and to really understand that process because I, I am hardwired detail [00:16:00] wise, you know, I'd like structure, I'd like to know that there's a, a beginning and an end and I need to know how to get there so I can, I can get anybody, I can get anybody to success if they give me the opportunity to spend time with them, you know, my daughter.
You know, she, you know, when she was younger, we just spent time together and I, she wanted to be an Allstate ba. I said, okay, you wanna be an Allstate basketball player? We're gonna figure that out, right? If you want to go to Harvard, Yale, or Notre Dame, we, we will, we will figure that out. But we have to have a strategy to get there.
And it starts early. And the same with my son. It's not that he's just so gifted, it's because we had a strategy and now he's the number one player in the country. It's. It's the change process that I talk about in my book, right? It's, you know, it's patented. I, it's, if you are willing to change the, it's, I call it the flash points to, to Tony.
It's, it's, you know, to Tony, it's the flashpoint as it relates to [00:17:00] these five pieces will change your life if you're willing to, to utilize that. The acronym flash f being face up to it. Somebody says, I wanna lose 20. . Okay, you ready? Well, I'm not tight, but I'm gonna do it. Well then you're not ready for the change process.
But when you are committed and says, now the time is here, I can't go any further without moving forward with the change process. And I check the box on the F. Now I, I talk about L the learning your capacity, you have a capacity to even change. Like, are you, you know, people, cause Darren, I wanna run a four five.
Well, that's probably not possible in, in, in your situation, so that's something that we can't change. So I, we always talk about that. I have the learned capacity to do it if they do. The a, which is the most important you talked about is the action plan. Now I gotta, I'm gonna put a plan together, but I'm gonna do with the most brightest and the most, the, the people that I respect the most, and have God part of that process.
And I'm [00:18:00] gonna put a plan together to get there, to get to the chain where I want to go. And then, you know, people like what's the s That's the support. Like, and my son's like, Hey dad, I, I have a strategy and of, of how I'm gonna be, you know, Mr. Football this year. I'm like, okay, who did you tell that to? Nobody.
I just keep it to myself. Cause I don't wanna disappoint myself. I'm like, how, how do you, how do you execute a strategy if you don't tell anybody? And maybe it's that you wanna have, you know, 4,000 yards this year overall, but if no one knows. How can you reach your, your, your strategic goals. So support system, they're all there to support you if they know.
Right. And that the finalist holding onto it. So we get their telling and we finally reach success. And what happens, we go back to square one. Hmm. So, so, so, so how do you prevent people from, I just lost a 20 now they, you know, next year they gained 40 . Right. And now that [00:19:00] they're. cars and homes and everything else, and starting back over again.
So, so the, the last part is how do you hold onto it and, and prevent yourself from dropping back into that place. Hey guys,
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Now, let's finish up this conversation with. So I, I've ha had the opportunity to read a good chunk of the, the, the book. [00:20:00] And at the end of the book, you, you kind of lay out the flashpoints so that people can check out exactly how they could apply it to their own life. And as I was kind of praying and reading through all this, one of the things I realized is that, Sometimes these feel a little bit more like art than science, like in terms of how you're wired.
I, I was curious for you, which one, which, which letter out of the Flash acronym is hardest for you personally?
Darrell: That's a great, that's a great question. Wow, that's a great question. You know what I think, I think the hardest for most people is, is the f facing up to it? You know, that's why 80% of us are in that position. Right. That's why there's 20% of us that are, you know, it is interesting, you know, the, the, the car dealership are already talking [00:21:00] about building.
You know, electric cars and trucks and Chevy trucks, but there's some that haven't even, haven't even brought an r d specialist yet to, to, to move their product line to that area. So if they're, if they're not even gonna, Be properly prepared for the change process. They're gonna be left behind. Yeah. Right.
They're gonna, they're gonna have to close their doors sooner later because they're not gonna have a product that people are gonna want. So even when people say, what are you putting time into that for the next five years, you're gonna see why, and we're gonna be on the cutting edge. That's the 20%. . Those are the people that are getting up every day and they're running for 4, 3, 4 or five miles.
They're lifting weights, they're, they're doing cardiovascular wide because they're saying In 10 years I won't have the high blood pressure. I won't have the cancer. I won't have those issues that come with my, my. My gene pool with my own family and the challenges that they bring, right? So, [00:22:00] so it is just getting ahead of those opportunities and my, my, my biggest challenges, the facing up to it, being able to say, now I'm ready.
Okay, now I'm ready to take on this challenge. And I push myself more and more to be in that space. And it's not, , right? It's not easy to say you're gonna take on the world, you're going to change every child in the world, right? Or you'll want your urgency to be the most prominent agency in, in our region, right?
It's huge undertaking . But, but when you're ready to do it, and that whole change process comes to life,
Tony: As you were sharing that face part, I, I think that's probably, for me, that was the one that I identified as the hardest. And mostly because ignorance is so blissful. And as you were telling that story, I was thinking about Kodak, right?
Kodak didn't know that they were going out of business as they were [00:23:00] simultaneously going out of business. I, I, I love to get into the nitty gritty. What are some of the practical. Things that you do on a random Tuesday to make sure that you stay relevant about the things that you need to change that at this point you may not even know you need to change '
Darrell: em yet.
Yeah. Great. Great point. Great point. You know, you know, those things that I do that to stay on the cutting edge of change. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm always reading, you know, and I'm always. Listening to and talking to others. If, if it's in my industry about work, you know, I'm going to conferences, I'm reading up on what's, what's new in the industry.
There are websites that talk about futuristic nonprofits. Hmm. You can, you can see what's coming, right. And you can, so, so there's no reason why you get left behind. You shouldn't get left behind if you can do some work. So, so, [00:24:00] you know, I, I really try to do my homework and be academically savvy and know what's new, what's more innovative, what's coming out, that, that will allow us to be more successful, both from a business perspective.
In relationships, right? I, I, you know, I wanna be the cutting. I wanna be a cutting edge father, I wanna be a cutting edge husband. I wanna be a cutting edge c e o. But to do that, I gotta continue to find out how to be better. So, I was going to school today and I was dropping my kid off and in a document that his class had him do, and he, it said, , it gives you a perspective of a, your psychological profile of what type of parent you are.
Oh, wow. So yo just fill that out and, and, and just give it to your teacher and they can process it, right? And put the algorithms in. It'll spit out what the psychological[00:25:00] backdrop relates to you as a father. What type of father are you? Right? Type of parent are you? And he said, well, then why are you so interested in that?
I said, that's the very reason. Those people that want to be better, they find out, they evaluate themselves so they can be better. Hmm. Everybody's asking for this material, right? But I think it can help me be a better dad, a better parent to you and it. And that moves me, right? That that moves me. And if somebody tells me I could be a better ceo, I could be a better mate, I could be a better athlete.
You know what, it's, it's interesting enough, I, when I was in high school, I would get up at five o'clock in the morning and I would work out, and I lived in poverty in that part, but I, you know, was five of us. And, you know, two bedroom and, and it was tough, but I would get up and I would run and I'd lift [00:26:00] before I'd go to school.
And, and I remember people saying, you know, like, why are you doing that? Well, I, I, I, I, there was somebody in Iowa that's doing exactly what I'm doing. Yeah. And, and I don't want them to be better than me, and I didn't know that the work I was doing wasn't even comparison to the other 49 states of the kids that were working in that way.
But I never knew. I just thought I was behind. and I thought I needed to catch up. So I was working to catch up when in my own mind I was ahead Hmm. Of the nation and, and, and as a result of that, I was the number one linebacker coming out of high school. I so, so I, I put that in perspective to say I don't think I was training because I wanted to be better.
I thought I was behind. And, and we [00:27:00] didn't have social media and we didn't have the opportunity to look back to see who was number four or four star five. You just kind of lived in your own little New Jersey neighborhood. Right? That's all you knew. And so, you know, I think those are the things that we do right to, to continue to.
To be better, to be cutting edge. You know, we, we just continue to work hard and try to be the best we can to improve ourselves so that we can deliver our product for the people we serve.
Tony: I absolutely love that. I think it's, it's so important to wrestle with those things. I, I am curious about you, you can't be cutting edge without ending up on the cutting room floor every now and then.
And so h how, how do you wrestle with I'm gonna use air quotes, failure.
Darrell: Not well, , not well. I, you know, I, I, you know, there are different types of in the world and some people that [00:28:00] are, they, they, they don't care what people think. And there are other leaders who care what people think. Mm-hmm. . And there's some that are just in between.
I, I care what people think. Yeah. And you know, as a result of. I, I want do right by others and I don't want to fail. Mm. And a result of that I, if I fail, I'm failing other people. Mm-hmm. . And so as a ceo, you fail, you fail the other 150 people that work. The 2000 people that may work for you, or you fail your family.
You fail your kids and your, your spouse, right? You, yeah. It's, it's it's, it's not just you that fail. And I, I take that on. I'd probably take on more than I need to take on, but, you know there's a community that that's counting on us. There's their families that count on us. There's their children that count on us.
Mm-hmm. . So everything I do. I try to make sure if I [00:29:00] fail as a football player for Notre Dame, that could mean we don't win a national championship. Yeah. So I gotta give it my best so that we can win a national championship. And that, that's the way I operated , you know, and given 'em 120% every day so that when the time comes I was physically, mentally prepared to compete at that level and we wouldn't lose.
And we didn't lose game so much. Goodness
Tony: here. I, okay, I have one more question for you, but before I ask it, I know that my audience is gonna wanna connect with you all over the innerwebs. Where is the best thing to learn? A best place to learn all things. Darryl
Darrell: Flash Gordon. I think to, to go to daryl flash gordon.com website.
It's all there. You know, from books to affirmation of, of people that have, you know, affirmed my work to my speaking topics, to just the, the [00:30:00] commitment I have to the transformation of people. And love I have for Jesus Christ. Right. And, and you know, I just, I was telling someone today I am just, So blessed to be able to do what I do.
Right. And it's, it's a, it's a blessing, but it's God's work. And he told me I gotta do it. So it's not like I chose it. not, it wasn't my choice. It's, he told me I gotta do it and I'm happy to do it. And so, you know, I, I say when you find your calling Don't leave it right. You may, it may be modified in a way, it may be a different kind of calling later, but listen to him when he tells you you have a calling cuz you may be fighting something and you're in a job and it's just about dollars.
Cuz you gotta bring dollars home and maybe somebody's listening to this, but maybe from a passion perspective, there's something else that you really want to do, you want to change and it's something holding you. and perhaps you'd be surprised if you, [00:31:00] if you lean on the Lord and you have faith that he's gonna take care of you.
He will take care of you more than you've ever thought. Right. And, and I love it. I truly believe that. I truly, I love it.
Tony: Yeah. That's good. Okay. Last question. I always love to ask people, it's an advice question except I get to name the season of life. I'm gonna ask you to give yourself one piece of advice as I wanna take you back to the end of your very first football practice at the University of Notre Dame.
If you could pull up a chair in front of that younger version of you. Sit knee to knee with him. Hold his hands. Look him in the eyes. What's the one thing that you're gonna tell him?
Darrell: I'm gonna tell him. Son. Job well done. Hmm. So well done. Right. I don't feel like I have any regrets. I've done God's work the way he wanted me to. I would've done it again the same way, even with all of the challenges. I really believe [00:32:00] I've done it for him and not for any other person and as a result of it, and I had the faith Yeah.
That he would live on his end and he has you know, with my family and my friends and and just my future, right? And what he has positioned me to be and do that I can even do it in a greater. , you know, I pray about that too. Like, what's, what's next? What does he have for me to do next? What transformation does he have for me to, to help that somebody in need that really needs that sense of transformation.
So I'm excited. I'm nervous, but I'm excited. I'm not afraid or scared. , I'm just, I'm, I'm excited. Just continually changing and and I, I'm, I'm just, I'm honored that you thought enough to bring me on and to share. With the world how great God is and, and living his true life. Right. That's, that's awesome.
Tony: Amen. Daryl, thank you so much [00:33:00] for being so generous with your time today. I can't wait to stay connected as God continues to move in and
Darrell: through your story. Well, thank you again Tony, and the work you are doing and the way you get this information to thousands and thousands of people and it's all about Christ and you're making that the center of this conversation.
And you know, I'm on a lot of podcasts, but I always love it when it's God centered. And, and you, you have something here, right? Amen. Amen. Of you. He truly will. And, and so I'm, I'm just excited to continue to watch you grow and, and however I can help, please let me know. I
Tony: am always amazed when I get to talk to leaders like Darryl because he has such a big heart for people and for the community that he's serving.
Thank you guys so much for listening in to this dialogue and thank you Darrell for your willingness to share your heart. Do me a favor, go follow him on LinkedIn, let him know that you heard him here on the podcast. I'm always, always thankful when you guys take a minute outta your busy schedule to thank our guests.[00:34:00]
As always, guys, I wouldn't be here without you, so thank you for being a part of our community. And remember, if you wanna follow Jesus, you must be willing to.
