#189: Sue Nilson Kibbey & Rosario Picardo: Dynamite Prayer
This 28-day prayer experiment wants to move you from problem-focused prayer to possibility-focused prayer.
Pastors Sue and Roz want to make sure you have all the tools you need for a dynamite prayer life!
Links:
https://www.dynamiteprayer.com/
https://www.inviteresources.com/
https://www.facebook.com/rev.roz
https://www.facebook.com/sue.kibbey
https://www.instagram.com/twmilt/
EP. 189
Tony: [00:00:00] Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Reclamation Podcast, where our goal is to help you reclaim good practices for following Jesus. If we haven't met yet, my name is Tony and I'm your host with over a decade in the local church, and now working for a nonprofit, doing leadership and discipleship. I want to help you move closer to Jesus.
Today's episode 189 of the podcast. I'm so excited to bring you one familiar voice in a new voice. Pastor Rozario Picardo who's been on the podcast multiple times and pastor Sue Nelson Kibby have a brand new book out. So if you ever struggle with prayer, big prayers, life changing prayers, altering prayers, dynamite prayers.
This is the conversation for you. We talk about what it means to have a movement of prayer. We talk about dynamite prayer, and we talk [00:01:00] about their latest research, which I know you're gonna love. And Hey, if you do love it, do me a favor. Hit that subscribe button, wherever you listen to podcast. Leave a rating, a review on iTunes or Spotify.
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now without any further ado, let's jump into my conversation with pastor Raz and pastor. Hey everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. I'm so excited today to have two dear friends with me, Sue and Raz Raz has been on the podcast four times. Sue. This is your very first time. I'm excited to have you both welcome.
Roz: Hey, thanks for having us. Thank you.
Tony: so I always like to start macro before we go micro. And we're gonna talk about your brand new resource [00:02:00] and all the things that involve with that. But Sue, I wanna start with you first. You've had an interesting career. You you've done a lot of different things. You've been in the local church for over 20 years.
You've worked with pastors and leaders. You now work at my seminary United theological seminary, where I'm a graduate of. And so let me ask you this. How would you describe the call that God has placed on your life?
Sue: Mm, so all the way along as God has led me forward, I have this unquenchable passion to see God's church. Look up and out and to be open, to surrender and be open to God's next possibilities. And then to have the courage and the spiritual nimbleness to step out wherever God is leading so that the church isn't just an organization turn inward that, that we [00:03:00] administrate, but that it is the movement of Jesus.
That is rolling and spreading forward. I think that's the acts two picture of God's church. And so my passion all the way along is to experiment and try things and assist churches that I've led as well as churches. Now that I'm alongside on what it means to be the forward spiritual movement of Jesus, not just an organization.
And for me the, the rocket fuel of all of that is prayer collectively across the congregation, as well as individually and specifically prayer saying to God, you know, we're gonna set aside all of our preferences, all of our requirements, all of what we think needs to happen, and we're gonna surrender ourselves to be open to what you think needs to happen.
God, we want your preferences and show us. [00:04:00] and we're gonna be saying yes and stepping out.
Tony: I love that. Spiritual nimbleness is not a word that I hear very often. And when I think about churches, I don't often think about nimble organisms. So I think I'm gonna have to wrestle with that a little bit, but I, I like it.
I like the, I like the word usage there. Roz. Now of course, my audience knows you already. Pastor of mosaic church here in the, in the beaver Creek area. You're at United you've written several books. H same question to you. How would you describe the calling that God has placed on your life?
Roz: Yeah, I, I would say it's to be a change agent and starter and seeing new God possibilities and introducing those to people systems.
Organizations, churches. And so that's the ways that God has used me in the past. And I think it's continuing to happen in the present. But yeah, I think that's, [00:05:00] that's how I would describe myself change agent.
Tony: Yeah, I think that's probably a beautiful term and it, what it does is it also, it really connects you two together because you both care deeply about trying new things in old institutions.
But there there's a lot of people who are listening right now who go to church every Sunday. And the moment we start talking about change in church, whether that's pews to chairs or creating missional spaces or, or trying to do church in a parking lot or under a tent, people freak out. So Raz, I wanna start with you and then Sue, we'll go to you next, but why do you think the church.
Which is supposed to be a movement of God's people. Why do you think that church is so resistant to change and, and maybe even more specifically, why are Christians so resistant to something new?
Roz: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great question in I would start by saying this, that change [00:06:00] is difficult for every person, regardless of faith affiliation.
But change is a part of life and there's some people based on personalities that have a high propensity for change. And so I love change for the sake of change sake, and that goes too.
Tony: That goes too far, how people just had a stroke.
Roz: Yeah, that goes too far sometimes because when I'm stressed the way I de-stress is dreaming about changes and, and so it can go too far, but.
My wife on the other hand loves consistency and sameness. I would say that I'm in the minority with liking change. I mean, we're the CRE we're creatures of habit. And so mm-hmm, even in my first church The I, you know, I warned everybody that you're becoming the same church people you resent when you sit in the same movie theater seats and, and you don't wanna change and you don't wanna move around.
And so I think even positive [00:07:00] change is always associated, even with fear even positive change, the best change in the world. You know, if you tell someone, Hey, you're. I'm gonna give you 10 million. Some people would freak out because that's gonna bring a lot of changes and they'll have more questions than anything else.
And oftentimes we people are resistant to change too, I think because they don't know the why. And if you don't know your why, and it's not compelling, then people aren't gonna follow you. And so I I've found that giving people the why. Is going to help. And usually people get upset because their life is outta control.
They're dealing with personal circumstances and the one thing that's ma remained constant has been their church. And so when you change the bulletins or you change the carpet there is some resistance because they've associated those sacred spaces and places with something that [00:08:00] has been a constant in their lives.
And so I, you gotta be strategic and have multiple conversations, but be able to communicate that vision 10 different ways and illustrate it. So it really comes down to the vision casting, I think. Sure. But I love change.
Tony: I well, I appreciate that about you. It's one of my favorite things is your entrepreneurial spirit.
So what about you? Why do you think the local church and, and most of us Christians struggle so deeply with the idea of change.
Sue: I've thought a lot about that. And one thing that I can become aware of, again, Leading my own congregations as well as now being alongside many congregations, considering what God has for their future is that when the word change is spoken in a church, there's [00:09:00] this automatic instinct to assume that what people love the most, which is their loving relationships with each other and the environment of.
Of the church family that, that somehow that's gonna change and be threatened. And when we, when we talk about change in forward movement, in the church and new possibilities for me, it's always important to name what, what will never change. Yeah. What's never gonna change. Our loving community of Jesus is never gonna change our heart for not only each other, but people in need, you know, for, for.
Growing in our faith, never gonna change. Never, not, not talking about any changes there. What we're talking about are the possibilities that God has for us together. So, so there's this unchangeable nature of the movement of Jesus and our bond together. [00:10:00] And then instead of using the word change, when we talk about God possibilities and open doors we already have reminded ourselves over and over again.
Nothing that we hope dearest which is our bond. It's not gonna change. We're just gonna go together, you know, and what might God have. And so that's one of the things that I think about when, when we talk about changing the church.
Tony: One of the words that I wrote down in my notes is, is we first started talking, was this idea about breakthrough prayer.
And so I, I think we're gonna talk. The dynamite prayer in just a minute, but I think it might be good to go back a little bit before we go forward to give kind of everyone, some common language around what breakthrough prayer is. So what I was hoping that we could do is Sue, if you could give us like how you came up or how kind of God put this on your heart about breakthrough prayer, and then Roz, what I would love to hear is how you began to, to take that vision [00:11:00] that God gave Sue, and then bring that into your church to kind of get us to a place where we could really dive into this latest resource.
Sue: So I, as I I'm, I'm really passionate about prayer for God's next possibilities as being the jet fuel, the rocket fuel for the movement of Jesus called the church to move forward. And when I began developing a revitalization initiative, For groups of churches and their pastors. A number of years ago, I, I prayed about how to create a training for them to really move this prayer for new possibilities to the center of everything.
So that prayer wasn't just a. Open and closed meetings and kind of a sidebar thing that a little group did on Friday morning, but it, it really did become the center of everything. And so I, I made up something called the breakthrough prayer initiative [00:12:00] training, and it's a very simple training, but it's training churches and their, and then leaders, in addition to the existing prayer life of the church, everything we're already praying about to add a little additive component.
Every time we pray personally, or collectively. To not just God, the comforter, the sympathizer, the healer, which God is all of that. But to God, the almighty and ask for this open new doors. Show us what you have next bring your new possibilities. And, and that's called a little additive breakthrough prayer, and that's, what's taken off like wildfire through so many churches.
That's moved across the country, this little additive component, because even if a church doesn't change a whole lot else, that kind of a prayer gets the congregation looking up and out expectedly for what God's gonna do rather than down. And. At ourselves, maybe with discouragement and that this is an [00:13:00] intersection, this kind of prayer, this prayer for new possibilities that RA and I have been kindred spirits since the very beginning of knowing each other about this, because this is what RA is about as well.
Roz: Yeah. And I, I was, I grew fascinated by this. Of course you know, starting out, I knew the importance of prayer and having prayer teams, but not asking the church ever to like, Pray together and pray a prayer that was centrally focused for a breakthrough. And so really Sue inspired me in this and watching other churches she coached and their creativity around this.
And so when we introduced it to mosaic, people really took hold of it. And it was during critical times in the life of our churches. We were discerning next steps and moves and finances and all those things. But at the heart of. Prayer has been there. So this breakthrough prayer, isn't just [00:14:00] involving your top key leaders or just pastors, but it's for every single person.
And so that's what I love about it because not everybody can do anything, but everybody can pray. And so you know, we talk about people that. Gifts and evangelism or, you know, some folks have steroidal gifts in discipleship like yourself, Tony, but something that everybody has is the gift of prayer.
And, and breakthrough prayer, especially is having that holy anticipation that God wants to do something and God is on the move. We just need to see what that is. And so that's where I got really energized. With this breakthrough prayer, and then seen it introduced even at institutions like United theological seminary where we've seen God breakthrough in a variety of ways because we're gonna have a big retreat [00:15:00] to dream and vision of the future, Sue was gonna be our facilitator.
And she said, you know, this is fine and good that you wanna have a strategic plan and you wanna brainstorm. But this needs to be undergirded with breakthrough prayer. And so she helped lead that process. And I worked with her and I learned a lot from her and just H how to usher that in and lead and out of that retreat because of the 40 days or whatever, leading up.
We have experienced a ton of breakthroughs and God, you know, opened doors that we never even thought were possible. Not just finances, but creative programs and all these things. So it, it really drove home. The point for me that you can have the best strategic plan marketing staffing, but if prayer is not at the heart of it, all, that is for not, you know,
Tony: Sue.
I'm, [00:16:00] I'm curious as, as I listen to Ross, talk about this you know, I'm reminded that old cliche saying that it, you know, it wasn't raining when Noah built the arc kind of moment. Like what's the tension of because you know, I'm an action guy. I like to take action. I like to do stuff much like my friend Raz.
What's the tension between being prayerfully obedient and being boldly active.
Sue: What's coming to my mind is any number of congregations that have implemented this additive component of the breakthrough prayer initiative. As, as we've described, you know, asking God for new possibilities where, I mean, God must love that prayer, Tony. I I've got stories and actually my videographer friend and I have filmed and produced little video stories about how [00:17:00] quickly God brought some breakthrough that nobody could have ever anticipated.
Mm. At the same time, part of the, the breakthrough prayer initiative is asking God, we want your timing. We want your answer. We don't want our in. We want your invention and we are gonna keep asking, keep praying, and we're gonna be looking up and out for what it is that you have to bring. And haven't we all seen in our prayer lives.
Thank goodness that God didn't answer specifically what we were initially. Yeah. Into demand of God. Thank goodness. And God ushered in something else that we couldn't have ever dreamed. That has been extraordinary. And game changing for the kingdom. And so it, it is a tension when we want God to act now, the way that we think God should.
But the breakthrough prayer [00:18:00] initiative is the best discipleship tool I've ever seen to teach us how to surrender every day. I'm gonna empty myself from what I want, cuz God, I want you to fill me with what you want. And your breakthroughs and how does that relate to an action oriented?
Followers business.
Roz: But, but Sue, I would say this, I would say this too, when you've walked alongside churches, that's just the first step that they continue to do. But then each church gets a prescription of, by the way, here are the holes that we've seen through church visits and maybe ways you can enhance your ministry.
So there, there is a, a workout plan that they have to do. But that breakthrough prayer is carried all the way through. So it's prayer and
action.
Sue: Yeah, that's good. So you're talking about the revitalization initiative that I'm [00:19:00] so fond of, and that is actually there. The, the church is praying for God's breakthroughs for a year or sometimes longer before.
The consultation team and I even get to the church now. Oh, wow. So we're there saying, okay, we're doing listening sessions. What have you heard? God speak. Oh, wow. Next steps to the future. And after a, a whole year or more of. Praying for God's possibilities, the consultation team, and I are taking notes.
And it's just unbelievable how everybody's talking about the same next steps that they've heard from God. So that report and the prescriptions you're talking about Raz are naming what we've heard from the people that God has created urgency in. to step out with next. And I, I can't imagine in working as a consultant without a a really a season of the [00:20:00] breakthrough prayer initiative to proceed any work, otherwise we'd just be coming in and listening to the people's ideas of what needed to.
And this sets up people to speak what they've heard from God about, about what is next. Wow.
Roz: I didn't realize it was that you had, 'em praying that early in the process.
Sue: That's amazing. That's very first thing. They start their breakthrough prayer initiative. Yeah.
Tony: Wow. I love that. I think it I mean historically, right?
Every revival of the church has been bathed in prayer before it had ever actually moved into action. So that, you know, obviously that checks out historically, I am curious, you, you both have now written a book on prayer. You, you live it. Publicly. I love to get into the details of our personal lives, in the sense of like someone who's listening is like, oh man, that sounds great.
But I don't know if I can pray like that. So I'd like to hear from both of you Raza, if you wanna go first what [00:21:00] does your prayer routine look like on a random Tuesday? You know, in August.
Roz: Yeah. You know, there's seasons in life and you have to give yourself permission to kind of live into that.
And as you know, very well. And so, you know anything routine before. Life with kids kind of goes out the window. And we, so our greatest disciples have to be our kids and in raising them into being three fearless, powerful women of God. So that's our goal focus and it's praying, not just meal time.
I mean, we take the time, pray at meals pre, but. Call and I pray every night together. So it's, I would say it's multiple times in a day. And having that conversation with God as I'm driving, or if I'm feeling [00:22:00] anxious and maybe praying through a scripture. So it's like multiple times in a day, which is pretty cool.
It keeps that communication open. I feel like I have to nighttime is my time. I'm most alert and really with it. And that's when I go to God with a lot. I know that's against the founder of Methodism, John Wesley, who would get up at four in the morning and pray two hours a day and read Bible just
Tony: a different version of nighttime.
That's all it is. .
Roz: Yeah. So that's when I really hear clearly from. When I'm doing devotional times those things, and when I'm most creative, I would
Tony: say, Sue, what about you?
Sue: So back when the breakthrough prayer initiative training, you know, I embedded this simple training and started providing it to churches.[00:23:00]
In the revitalization initiatives that I was leading it was very clear to me that these prayers for breakthroughs must be a part of my own the fabric of my, of my daily and really moment by moment prayer life for me to even be able to begin to learn and comprehend the significance of, of that.
And so every day I, every day I begin when I wake up in the morning before I even get up, my, my first thought is God, today, today my, my primary mission is gonna be completely surrendered to you. Hmm. I say yes right now, before I even start. Yes, Lord. It is my pleasure right now. I, I, I'm gonna be surrendered to you and.
Leave me forward, open your breakthroughs. And I say, [00:24:00] yes, it is my pleasure. And that, that practice of spiritual surrender can get really tricky on busy days. Have you all noticed that? Amen. you get so pulled up with all my work projects and emails and all of that and just spiritual. Pathway of repeatedly noticing and getting myself back to, okay, I'm gonna be surrendered to you.
And it's a yes, whatever it is, I'm gonna be a yes person to this. And that's opened the door for God's breakthroughs that have completely transformed me as a follower of Jesus. And it has not been easy because sometimes God. Opens doors and, and presents opportunity for breakthrough that are uncomfortable, that are anti some long [00:25:00] habit I've had, you know, or mindset I've had or opinion I've had, or haven't done in all of that.
But I would say that it is something now, so precious to me. I wanna keep this for every day of the rest of my earthly
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That's an equipping ministry. We walk alongside the local church in areas of disciple making evangelism and unleashing the power of the holy spirit. So much of what Raz and Sue are talking about in today's conversation is exactly the kind of work that we do at spirit and truth. So, Hey, if you wanna become a partner with.
We're always looking for financial partners. We're looking for people to subscribe to our blog, our subs stack, or our [00:26:00] theological magazine firebrand for all the things, go check us out spirit and truth.life. Our website again is spirit and a and D. truth.life. L a E. Now let's finish up this conversation with RO and Sue.
So I I'm curious, Sue, if I'm gonna drill down on this just a little bit, because I think that there's a lot of people listening who are, who, who want, what you're talking about. You, you had been following Jesus for quite some time before really beginning this breakthrough prayer initiative. What's an example that, that maybe we could put some handles on when it comes to like, I mean, what, what does trans, what does transformation look like when you've been following Jesus for For several years, we'll say several, however many, you know, like it, it was, what does transformation look like for someone who, I mean, it, I think correct me if I'm wrong, but the breakthrough prayer, when God really gave you that at that point in time, you'd already been in ministry for quite some [00:27:00] time.
You've been, you've been doing this for a while. You you're, you're already a well respected elder in, in our denomination and you know, well known. What does transformation look like in that season of life? When really you had, you had every ability, if you wanted it to coast, I know that's not your nature, but like you you'd kind of you're you were there you'd arrived career wise.
What's it look, what does transformation look like at, in that season?
Sue: I, I don't know if you want this in the podcast, but I'm gonna just say what I'm. Yeah,
Tony: that's exactly what I want.
Sue: I cannot think of one moment, one moment in my vocational ministry life, where I have thought that I have arrived, that I am everything that God would like [00:28:00] to, to be in and through me every single day where.
where I have always been at is everything before is in the past. And today is what matters. Hmm. Today is what matters and all the incredible things God has done. I celebrate. And in moments of low spirits, like the Psalmist, you know, I recount those to myself. I, I really happen to be wired, I think, and, and spiritually, this has been part of my growth in spiritual maturity.
I'm I am so living for the potential of every single moment. There's I, I don't view myself in any of the ways that you just described. I have not ever I've still got so much to learn and the only way to learn it is this path of surrender so that God. breakthrough new possibilities saying yes to things that [00:29:00] I've never said yes before, but that's the next thing that I've already said yes to God before I got up this morning, you know?
And that's really the spiritual posture that is how I've been led to follow Jesus.
Tony: I love it. I, well, I, what I love is I love the honesty and the spiritual maturity behind that kind of answer. Rod's similar question to you. I mean, you haven't always done breakthrough prayer. You've done ministry in a lot of different places and spaces.
How, how, how have you seen it shift your relationship with with Christ
Roz: for me? I'm so used to whether it's leading or casting vision. I you know, you mistake your power for God's power at times in ministry. And so really I've had to take myself out of the equation and. Wondering, am I [00:30:00] pushing too hard?
And sometimes I have to like, just go hands off because I know it's not God's timing or something is not meant to be right then and there. And so for me, it's my relationship with God has I think cultivated by letting off the gas pedal, when I need to let off the gas pedal and giving me that discern.
Whether it's leading myself or a group of people and it's different than how I used to operate in B. Because you know, you feel the pressure, you gotta make things happen. And now it's, I, I would say it's a little bit of just moving to the pace of grace, you know, and not feeling like I have to produce when it's on God to produce.
I. The conduit. And sometimes God wants to do a miracle through somebody else and not me and I, I can't be the savior for everybody or [00:31:00] everything. So I I'm learning that more and more my relationship with God identity, but then in my relationships with others, I don't always have to be the answer when there's a need.
I don't always have to, I don't have to fix a problem when someone brings it to me. I can listen, I can care, but I'm not picking up their monkey, you know? And so it's helped me to set boundaries too and have a healthy view of myself. So it, you know, I'm reminded of how to describe humility. It's not underestimating yourself, where you have a low self-esteem and it's not overestimating yourself where you think you're God's gift, but it's seeing yourself the way God views you.
And and I think also in this prayer time and, you know, getting focused, it's really knowing what is your capacity? What's your maximum capacity. and don't exceed [00:32:00] that. Don't come close to exceeding that. So it, it kind of keeps me level, I would say.
Tony: Yeah, I like that. What I, what I hear is, is really your ability to listen from both of you, your ability to listen and then move at his pace.
And again, that's, that's surrendering. That goes back to that very basic idea. You, you said something in your answer was that I, I want to use as kind of a transition into this latest resource because it's, it's called dynamite prayer. It's a 28 day devotionals this resource, and it's all about God's power.
And you've mentioned that. In your answer Raz. I Sue, I'm curious. Tell me about the origin story behind the name of dynamite prayer, and then how you guys describe God's power in the, in the resource
Sue: RA shares with me, such a passion for breakthrough [00:33:00] prayer for people looking to God. Resurrection power and the, the Greek word is actually OUS that is translated as power in so many places in the new Testament. And the word actually in Greek is OUS, which isn't just any power. It is the miraculous resurrection power that raised Jesus from the dead on the cross, our English word dynam.
Originated in that Greek word OUS and Raz had the inspiration. What would happen if the congregation at mosaic for, for a month, every day studied and prayed for breakthroughs around a verse describing the OUS power of the holy spirit. And that's how the dream and really the concept. For our, our new book, dynamite prayer a 28 day experiment came to be, [00:34:00] and it, the book is called dynamite prayer.
In reference to this OUS resurrection power of God's holy spirit that can raise Jesus from the dead resurrects changes and every day for 28 days those using. Get to look at one of those scriptures and pray a breakthrough prayer, and really reflect on how they can surrender and make, make room for that.
So that's why we call it a 28 day experiment because we believe it can change everything.
Roz: and, and we want people to experiment with it. We're not saying you'll get this out of this book, if you do X, Y, and Z, but results are gonna vary and the experiment is giving yourself over to the holy spirit.
And then we want people to, you know, we're in the process of developing a website right now because we wanna hear back. [00:35:00] Everyday Christians, pastors, leaders, churches to then tell us how did God, cause we're expecting the miraculous. So how did God move? What, what did you see? What did you experience during this time?
You know, what doors have opened or closed as a result of this? And so we're, you know, that's the experiment part behind.
Tony: RO, I'm curious, could you paint a little picture of what the doist verses are in reference to the holy spirit? Like if somebody's, I'm sure somebody's listening right now and they're probably on their elliptical or treadmill and they're like verses I need these verses what are the verses and I, and then I'll make sure we get 'em added to the show nets.
Roz: We open up it's interesting. We open up. The first day and it's in reference to Mary which may be unusual to think about Mary and the genist power of the holy spirit. But as we look [00:36:00] at it and it's from, let's see here,
Tony: I put you on the spot.
Roz: I know it's good. From Luke chapter one, verse 35. It says the angel answered the holy spirit will come on you and the power that's Juna miss of the most high will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the son of God. And so what's the significance of being overshadowed by that DMI power of God.
And so, you know, we kind of unpack. You know, negative connotation in today's you know, society when we hear being overshadowed, but there's something powerful about being enveloped by God's spirit in God's presence. And then of course second Timothy chapter one, verse seven. You know, God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power love and a sound [00:37:00] mind.
That's
Tony: her. Okay. So the Judaist verses now this is the first time I've, Everard this expression talking to you guys. And so I'm sure it's a lot, a first time for a lot of our listeners to my write in thinking that then these verses are anywhere. It talks about power. Right in reference to the holy spirit.
Is that, is that the best, I mean, is that the best way to articulate what these verses are kind of put together? Is, am I thinking about it the right way?
Roz: When you see power Especially in the Greek, as it connects to Jesus or disciples or the holy spirit. It's, it's really capturing that supernatural God power.
It's not okay from human effort or might.
Sue: So if somebody were to do a Bible lexicon search the word OUS is found actually, Many more [00:38:00] times than just the 28 versus with DMI that we've used for the 28 day experiment and RA, and I have both been absolutely fascinated as in the preparation of the dynamite prayer manuscript. We were looking at all these, we were reflecting on, okay, what's this really mean?
How, how is this. You know, how, how does this apply to our life? How do we appropriate this in our faith? And we've actually got the 28 days divided up into four, four weeks and week one. The, the overall theme is the holy spirit impact. Week two is holy spirit presence. Week three is holy spirit power.
And week four is the holy spirit and our posture. And so we've, we've attempted to organize it into four weeks of, of themes of these verses as we all grow forward together. It's our hope [00:39:00] that the dynamite prayer book guidebook, once someone does this as a 28 day spiritual experiment can become a reference for people, you know, so going forward in some circumstance and they're thinking what again, was God's MOUs power.
How does it play into this circumstance? And they can look back in the table of contents and be reminded and go to an entry and, and reread it. So it's our hope that this isn't a one and done devotional for 28 days that it's actually a guidebook, a spiritual guidebook that people can have to refer back to again and again.
Yeah.
Tony: I love that. I love the idea about the Going back to it because I, I think once we begin to understand that full power of, of prayer and, and this kind of prayer specifically, we can then apply it to different areas of your life. And, and what that looks like Roz is this book. It begins to leak out into the wild and, and by the way, congratulations on all [00:40:00] the incredible pre-sale success.
And I. God's already doing some pretty amazing things. What's your prayer for this book as it gets out into the wilderness?
Roz: Yeah, I, I would say for miracles, I wanna, I wanna see people experience the miraculous and transformation to what they never thought was possible. So whether that's an individual, a small group or churches or other organizations that they would see You know, the windows of heaven opened up and that they would experience a blessing, like no
Tony: other mm.
Sue what's your prayer. Any, anything to add onto that?
Sue: Well, all of that, and also to see breakthrough prayer for new possibilities spread across, across. Entire congregations more and more so that everybody's praying God, we're gonna surrender our own preferences. And we want [00:41:00] your breakthroughs and open, open doors and possibilities to break through that that God would use this guidebook across teams, leadership councils and entire congregations to set the stage for what God longs to do.
Roz: I. .
Tony: I love it. I love it. Okay. I have one more question for you guys. And it's a question I always love to end with, but before I ask it I know that my listeners are gonna wanna find you guys find the book, connect with you all over the Innerwebs Sue. What's the best place to, to follow your ministry and what God is doing, whether that be through you or United or.
Sue: I'm the director of the Bishop Brusso innovation center at United theological seminary here in Dayton, where we're all about holy innovation. And of course holy innovation is fueled by prayer. Isn't it? So prayer is an undergirding of everything and all [00:42:00] the innovation and resourcing that we do at the innovation center.
And I can be found. Through the United website or my email address is S in Kibby, united.edu. And I would love to help any of you listening to dream about how you could bring breakthrough prayer to your setting, to your life. And in particular, how the dynamite prayer resource might be helpful.
Tony: love it.
Rods. What about you all over the interwebs? Yeah.
Roz: Any social media, Facebook, Instagram Twitter, and then also Rosario picardo.com. And you can check out just what I offer and some of the latest books and things like that. And you could preset and we are presales right now can be available on invite resources dot.
Tony: Excellent. And then that's actually where I bought my book from [00:43:00] invite resources.com. So be sure to connect with them. There that'll be great lots of things. And I we'll list all that in the show notes so that if people want to get connected and share some of that we'll get that added. And then Roz, once that website goes live with the success stories about how God has moved in miraculous.
Let me know. We'll go back and add it in too. So dynamite,
Sue: prayer.com.
Tony: Oh, we'll add it now. Dynamite, prayer.com. Excellent. I love it. Okay, last question. I always love to ask people. It's an advice question. And I'm gonna ask you to give yourself one piece of advice, except I get to name the kind of season of life that you're in when you need the advice.
So I thought about this a little bit and. And all three of us have one thing in common and it's that we all served at Ginsburg church, which is a church here in the, the Miami valley area innovative entrepreneurial church underneath an incredible pastor Mike slaughter. And so I I'd like to take you guys both to the same day, [00:44:00] which is your first day at Ginsburg church.
I realize our times didn't really overlap much, but if you could go back to your very first day, In your new role at Ginsburg and pull up a chair in front of that younger version of yourself. Grab yourself by the hands and look yourself in the eye and give yourself one piece of advice. Sue, what would it be?
Sue: I remember that first day clearly and the role in and. Responsibilities and, and initiatives to create and move forward were overwhelming and intimidating. And part of them looked impossible. I came into ministry at Ginsburg church already with a passion for prayer ministry and, and what had happened in my previous ministry setting.
And I think if I could encourage [00:45:00] myself now, For back at that day, I think I would've been all about reminded myself the power and the miraculous OUS, power of prayer to change everything.
Tony: I love it. Raz. What about you, man?
Roz: I would say just be you. And so I've tried to keep that in every new setting that I've been in.
When you go into an incredible place and movement you could feel the pressure to produce and, you know, the pressure to be the answer to every problem. But I would just say, just be you. And of course put Christ first in all you do. So you know, it's taken me years to like myself and and I like myself and and I love myself.
When you're in a pressure, any kind of pressure cooker situation when you're new you feel an, an, a level of anxiety. And [00:46:00] so in any setting that I've been in, so I, I would say, just be you. Good words.
Tony: I think that they'll both preach really well. So thank you guys. So much for the time today.
Thank you for your heart for prayer. Thank you for what you do for the local church. I can't wait to see what God does through this resource and through through both of you. So thank you for being a part of my circle. Man. I love their hearts for prayer. I love the way they lean into it. I love just kind of the, the overall thought process behind what and how they've put together this resource on dynamite, prayer.
I know you're gonna love it. I know your church is gonna love it. Do me a favor. Follow them on socials. Let 'em know that you heard 'em here on the podcast. Order the book. Now it's a perfect time to order it it's release week for them. So that goes a long way in supporting what God is doing in their ministry.
And remember guys, all of your subscriptions, all of your rating review, every time you share the episode, it really does help spread the word about what God [00:47:00] is doing through this platform. I'm so thankful for this community that I can show up each and every week for you twice a week, and just share my heart about moving people closer to Jesus.
It's such a blessing, and I'm really, really thankful for you guys. So that's all I got for today. Remember if you wanna follow Jesus, you must be willing to move.
