#155: Jan L. Burt: Getting the Promises of God into the People of God
Jan L. Burt had her entire life changed with a medical diagnosis that numbered her days. Since then, she has been living one day at a time and relying on God's promises.
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Tony: [00:00:00] Hey everybody. Welcome back to the reclamation podcast, where our goal is to help you reclaim good practices for faith and life. I'm Tony. And today is episode 1 55 of the podcast where I sit down with a dear friend of mine, who I met at a podcasting conference. Jan Albert. Now Jan Bert is the podcast host.
For the Bert not Ernie show. That's right. Bert, not Ernie show. And it's about stepping into your own identity. She's a Bert. She's not. I love it. I love it. And today's conversation. We talk all about. God's promises the people of God about old messages, about how to pray the promise, some really, really good pieces of wisdom here.
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Here's my conversation with Jan L Bert. Hey everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. I'm excited today to have a real life friend with me, who I met at a podcast conference, a legendary podcast, or speaker and author Jan Albert, Dan, thank you so much for being here.
Jan: Hey, thank you for having me so excited to be here.
I got to tell you, meeting [00:02:00] you at that podcast was one of the highlights because I got plugged into your podcast and it is good stuff. I mean, you are so right up my alley, it definitely was. We sat at the right table and I thank God for it.
Tony: My wife was like, Hey, what was the best part? And I was like, I just connected with some like-minded people.
And I thought it was really, that was really the best part for me too, is connect with people like you and and summer, and some of the other folks that we sat around our table. So it was, it was definitely a divine appointment for sure. I was hoping that we might start by you kind of giving us a brief overview of how you would describe your calling.
Cause you have, your podcast is way different than mine. And it's really good as well. And it's part of a bigger calling that God is clearly placed on your life.
Jan: Yeah, for sure. Well I talk about God's promises on my podcast test and you wouldn't get that from the name. The name is the Bert, not Ernie show a play on my, on my last name.
But you know, one [00:03:00] day reading my, just my quiet time, there was a verse that had the word will in it. It was a promise from God. I don't remember the exact verse, but I just sensed the holy spirit saying. Say that out loud. And so I said it out loud and it sounded kind of weak. And so I said it a little differently and I put some emphasis on that word will.
And then I went back and I double underlined the word will in my Bible. And that just started something in me of like really, really a new level of believing that when God says will, he means it he's a perfect promise maker and a perfect promise keeper. And he always keeps all of his problems. I just wasn't really like, I don't, you know, that word appropriate.
I was not appropriating it to my life. And from there I just started a podcast. I lead a group of a hundred, about 190 women in like a weekly prayer group where we just pray God's promises, I've written a devotional about God's promises. So I guess that's kinda my thing. I'm like a God's promises girl.
But I'll never not believe that when God says will, he means we'll [00:04:00] after him kind of, it wasn't a reprimand, but it was like, he just gently said, say that out loud. Like you mean it because he means it. So that's kind of the foundation of my ministry, which is pretty, I guess you could call it niche to focus on mostly verses that, use the word.
Well if it encourages people to believe that when God says something to them, that it's for them and he means it, and he's going to keep his word.
Tony: I appreciate your heart for that so much. I think it's important. And we're going to jump into a little bit more promises for a second, but I would be remiss if I didn't ask you to tell everyone.
How you came to the name, the Burton, not only show you and I've listened to your podcast multiple times. And of course I subscribe and you should go and subscribe to if you're listening to this podcast. But in the beginning of the podcast, you always kind of give this little it's just in the intro about how you named it.
Can you, can you share that with.
Jan: Yeah, people would think my name is a different one that it is since I followed my husband's lead, you get used to people think I'm [00:05:00] Burke. What's your name? Jan. Bert. And they think Burke, which is a great name, just not my name. So I learned to spell it because my husband would spell it.
R T I thought, okay. That and he's military. And so Bert is just like, you go by your last names and. In the military world. So but it sounded harsh when I would say Jan Burton, B U R T, and my husband said, Hey, just tell him. I'm like Burton, Ernie. It's way more gentle. And they, and they usually kind of chuckle.
I started doing that. And one day the Lord just said, you are a bird and you are not in Ernie, but how often are you living? Like someone I never meant for you to be, and the God just put on my heart. That was to be the name of the podcast. To also try to get people to understand who gods are, that's who you are, that's who you are, not who the world, not who your past, not who the devil says you are.
You need to know who you are. So I try and incorporate some of that in the podcast, but that's, that's basically where the name of the show came from.
Tony: Well, so we were at this Christian podcasting convention, and you can imagine[00:06:00] for those of you listening, you can imagine the response when when they were talking about Jan's podcasts, because they give the full name.
It's the Burt not Ernie show. And it's just, it's just so easy to remember. I absolutely love it. And it leads me to a deeper question, which is. So many of us struggle with identity and who we are compared to somebody else, or, you know, and even in, just in our little podcasting world, it's always like, man, why are more people downloading?
And you know, this person's got millions of downloads or hon you know, thousands or whatever. And w w what is it in our, in our flesh that just like keeps us in that deep comparison game. Any thoughts on that?
Jan: Oh, yeah, absolutely. I I had a friend years ago who did this little thing that I thought was so perfect.
And she described it as like her flesh, right? The old, her old. Just I'll say the old Jan I'll use, my name has been buried with Christ. So she's like, I think of it. Isn't like it's in a [00:07:00] coffin, but it keeps trying to get out and I'm like stomping on that competency and get back in there, stay in there. My flesh and I'm sure yours is the same way.
It screams for what it wants right now, because it doesn't care what happens in eternity. It literally does not care about eternity. It's not concerned with eternal things. So my flesh is constantly telling. Hey, Jan, your identity is your downloads. Your identity is your followers. You know, I'm working on a book proposal and there's all this platform talk.
And you just have to keep stepping back and saying that cannot be the truest thing about me. That cannot be the truest thing about me. Jesus has to have the final word. Holy spirit. What do you want to speak into this situation? Because it is a numbers game. I mean, we're, pod-casters, we are looking at our numbers for the right reasons, right.
I want a bigger reach because I want more. To be in kind of a discipleship type of if you, you can't disciple people as well as God wants you to, if you do not believe what the word of God says, if you're not believing it for yourself and then rolling it on to [00:08:00] others. So yeah, the numbers are important, but.
You know, as far as fighting your identity, it's like, oh, it's hard and it's constant. But I really just go back to reminding myself, my flesh is not going with me into eternity. And so it doesn't want paternal things. It wants the right now things. And I'm going to put that at the cross. I'm going to just say, I'm going to jump on my own confidence and get back in there.
You are dead, Jan, you are alive in Christ, but the old Jan is dead. Flesh is dead. I'm not going to give it any legal. Jesus helped me to not focus on the numbers. And it's, it's not a, one-off it doesn't, you don't just do it once and then you're all right, right.
Tony: That's a hundred percent, right. It's a, it's a daily battle, right?
It's sanctification. It's the process of becoming more like Christ. Yep. I'm curious. I, I think there's probably somebody listening right now. Who's like, oh, I love what you're saying. And I'm all in, but how do I know? What's my flight. Versus what being new in Christ, like, because, you know, if you're anything like [00:09:00] me I'm really good at talking myself into fleshly decisions and saying that it's in the name of the Lord.
Jan: Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's a hard question. Don't you? That's a big one. That feels beyond my pay grade for sure. But I think you just have to keep running it back through the word of God. You know, It's going to sound corny, but well, if I find myself just starting to think in a way that is, I know is not going to lead me down a good path.
Like, what am I even doing? Fiddling around with a book proposal. It doesn't, what are you crazy, Jan? This is way beyond you. You have heart failure. You don't even know if you get the book finished. You might be with the Lord. I have to stop and say, no, I'm supposed to think about. These things, is this true?
Is this a good report? Is this, you know, am I, is my mindset above with things eternal or am I really getting too hung up on things? That's just ridiculous to think like that, but I have to literally stop myself and say, no, I have to make myself aligned with what the word of God says. And holy [00:10:00] spirit helped me.
And one and another thing I do that might sound corny as well, but maybe you're a pastor. So probably not going to sound corny to you, but I will just tell myself the word of God says that I know the voice of my shepherd and the voice of another. I do not follow. And these thoughts. I'm thinking that's not my Shepherd's voice.
That's not Jesus's voice to me. So I'm not listening. I'm not listening. I don't, I don't know if that is helpful or not.
Tony: Yeah. That's super helpful. It's super helpful. And and you, sometimes I have to repeat verses of scripture as many times as it takes to believe that there's. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that feels like the same thing.
Right? Cause I too mean there, there are moments where the enemy will try to get to my flesh, the moment I get them preaching a message. So I'll preach a message, walk off the platform. And next thing you know, I'm like, oh, that was horrible. Nobody liked it. Everybody hates me. I think I'll go eat a worm, you know, something, you know what I mean?
Like just, just craziness. Now you mentioned something in there that I was going to get to later, but it's a. Great transition, which was your heart [00:11:00] failure. Can you kind of, you and I talked about this at the conference a little bit, but I was hoping you could kind of fill everybody in on, on what happened or what's happening with you medically.
And then I have a follow-up question after.
Jan: Okay. Yeah, sure. So 2016, I was kinda in the midst of, we have five kids, my husband and I, and I homeschooled from kindergarten all the way to sending them off to college. And so I started not feeling well. That's crazy. It's only getting you, if God calls you to do it, do it, but it is not for everybody.
It definitely was. It was sanctification. Like you would not believe for me, but I started feeling just like not right. And people around me were kind of saying, it's probably just like, you're extremely. Empty nest syndrome, kind of, you know, you're grieving the loss of your kids or they were home all the time.
And now they're all going to colleges far away, you know, thousand miles away. I thought, well, okay. I guess so well, after a busy graduation weekend, one daughter graduated from high school. A son graduated Wheaton college in [00:12:00] Chicago, and the next day. I got rear-ended by a girl. Her first car had no brakes.
I mean, hit me hard and man, it just messed up my back. So I went to my doctor for my back and she said yeah, I don't care about your back. Something's really, really wrong here. We have a problem. Okay. Sends me off to get an EKG like in the next 10 minutes. And I knew something was wrong. Tony, when the woman who did the EKG.
I was very sweet and chatty in the beginning. And as soon as she went over and rip that paper off the EKG printer machine, she would not look at me and I couldn't really make eye contact. And I tried and on the way out, I was like, Hey, have a good day. Thank you so much. I'm doing the head, Bob trying to connect with her nothing.
So they put me in a Holter monitor for 24 hours. They sent that off to cardiologists. We went on vacation. My doctor called me twice and said, be careful, be careful, be very careful, but didn't give me any details. I'm like, what am I being careful? I got back home, went to the cardiologist, apparently in that time, like a week and a half six cardiologists had reviewed.[00:13:00]
My result, his, this was a seventh cardiologist. He assumed I already knew the diagnosis. So he looked over at me, said, you look really good for a woman dying of heart failure. That is how I found out I was in heart failure. I couldn't believe it. And so from there, I it's just been a journey of, I have multiple problems that are electrical.
They can't treat one. Like they can't do. Any of the surgeries on me without one of the other problems killing me. I go to the Cleveland clinic up in your neck of the woods and they are the best at all things, heart. And they see the chief of the department for one of my shoes and they have told me they've never seen this exact they're like, they'd say, just manage your quality of life.
I've been told. I shouldn't be able to get out of bed. I have not had one day where I've had to stay in bed. So. When I talk about God's promises and I get really impassioned, I think sometimes I sound bossy or like super preachy, but it's more like I live on these. They, I live believing God's promises every day.
I live in like a supernatural [00:14:00] state where God just blesses me because I choose to believe his word and I won't stop believing it. So when I get like preachy sounding, it's really just me speaking. My life experience. God can do what he wants to do and a diagnosis of heart failure, where you should be in bed and I should be dead by now.
I was told you don't want to have a doctor hitting you in the chest and saying, this is going to kill you. You're going to be dead within, you know, a matter of weeks. I'm still here. So God's word is, is true and you can stand on it. So I guess that's, that's a long answer, but that is really. I guess kind of the foundation of my God's promises ministry because they I'm living proof.
Tony: I can only imagine well, first of all, how horrible that doctor's bedside manner is
no grace in any of that, but. The, the emotional rollercoaster of, of learning about that diagnosis to [00:15:00] then deciding that you're going to build a platform to talk about God's promises. Those are pretty stark contrasts. W what, what was the messy beginning of that? What did that look like in terms of like, you know, I, I'm not sure.
Well, I'm just not sure what I would've done. And I'm anxious to hear how you got from. Hey, you, you can't get out of bed and you might die any day to, Hey, here's a podcast about God's promises.
Jan: Yeah. Well, I gotta be honest with you. They immediately put me on medication. Like, I mean, go here and take the medicine today.
Like in the next 15 minutes, you've got to start. It was so it was kind of shell shock and the medication is very like suppressive. I'm not on it right now. Thank you, Jesus. And my personality is much different than when I'm on it. It really does because it controls every heartbeat. It suppresses all, anything that might get your heart rate up is suppressed.
And so. My personality was kind of like it was suppressed. And so I had to let other people [00:16:00] speak into my life and my family you know, my daughter and my husband in the same week. And my daughter was at Taylor university in Indiana. My husband here in Kansas, both said to me, you should start a podcast.
You should, I'd done some conference speaking and you can do it. You should start a podcast. And I was like, I don't know. I guess I prayed about it. And I spent the Lord say, go ahead and start a podcast about God's promises. And I did. So that's not the, but what's tough about that is that. I couldn't feel things the way I normally felt them, you know, pre medication.
And it was weird because I knew I'm not feeling this the way I should be. I'm not fully experiencing this. So I just had to say, Lord, as much as I can, the best of my ability, I'm going to walk with this through you and try to process things. And not just an aside, because. Feel all that overwhelming right now.
And also listen to people in your life. Like you've got to have people in your life for that point in time. My daughter and my husband were kind of my, like my Paul, you know, [00:17:00] and the people who are going to listen to me would be kind of like my Timothy. I had to be willing to listen to other people when I couldn't because of the medication fully come to those conclusions on my own.
So I would encourage your listeners to write. Let other people save people, the right people, right? I mean, these need to be bowlers seats. They'd be people who really know the Lord and who love you and love Jesus, but love Jesus more than they love you. Let them speak into your life and be willing to listen in those spots where you can't hear.
I think we all have places. We all have blind spots and we all have times when we can't really hear, let safe people who love Jesus most speak to you when you can't hear.
Tony: Did this diagnosis add a sense of urgency to your time with the Lord. I mean, did it, I mean, so, so good news in any relationship, bad news in any relationship changes the dynamic of the relationship.
How did this diagnosis prognosis change your [00:18:00] relationship with.
Jan: Yeah. I think one amazing way that might sound a little weird, but will make sense. Once I say that, I think is any worship songs that talk about your heart now? I think you're not really talking about your physical heart in those worship songs or any places like in the Psalms that talk about.
Your heart, man. That's Def just would jump off the pay. Me and in worship would be singing some song about your heart and you think, oh my goodness, this has a whole nother level of meaning. And I would worship the Lord in a new way because to me it wasn't just my spiritual heart, my, my soul. It was my heart, my physical.
Or songs about I've had medication that makes it really hard to kind of like breathe. So when you sing worship songs to talk about you are the air that I breathe, he really is. So I think it improved, greatly improved, just enormously changed my worship, my corporate worship, and then my private worship.
Just my playlist, honestly, [00:19:00] totally changed. And my focus on. Not really my focus on, but the way certain verses that talk about your heart would just kind of jump out at me and I would just have to make a decision right there. Am I going to, am I going to choose to override the feeling of corniness? Like, you know, Jan, this isn't really talking about your physical heart, or am I going to say, you know what, Lord, I just, right now I'm sitting with you and I'm saying, I want this to be about my physical heart.
It's hard today. And I want to have the energy to get up and do the thing. I believe you want me to do. I don't think you want me in bed. So please make this real about my real heart. You are the strength of my heart and he literally is. So I think my relationship with him got a lot deeper, a lot faster than I thought it would.
Tony: It's an instant. Pucker factor. They're a little bit like it just kind of tighten here. It just tightens everything up, you know, like it's just real, just makes it real. And, and I think that that's what makes the work that you do so compelling is there's a, there is a sense of urgency [00:20:00] to it that I think oftentimes.
Gets left out of like, oh, just come along when you want to. But when I hear you talk about God's promises on your podcast, it's like, Hey, listen, you need this and you need this right now. And so you know, I know a lot of my listeners are engaged in scripture on a regular basis. When they're reading scripture, how do we know what's a promise and what's everything else like, what's kind of some of the, the lenses that we put on to look for God's promise.
Jan: Yeah. Oh boy, that's a huge question. That's a huge one because you do kind of start out that journey and you feel like, Ooh, I don't know. Is this for me? Is this an actual promise? Is this like Romans 8, 28? That's a promise. Okay. I know that's a promise. How do I know what else is a promise? And some people kind of do.
Yeah, that was only for the Israel lights, but you know, the, the word of God is living in active. And I've found that if he's encouraging you through it, if the holy spirit is encouraging you through it, you need to grab that [00:21:00] and believe it. The holy spirit is so good at doing what he does. He is God within us, so he can make the word of God come alive and amazing way.
So I would say if a verse jumps off the page at you, you should you may not even be a Bible journaler. That's fine, but you can have a book that you keep next to your Bible where you just write down that verse and the date, and then maybe just sit with the. For a minute or two and say, holy spirit, tell me, God, what do you want this to say to me?
What, why did this jump out at me? Don't feel like you have to rush through it, spend time. And I think you will find that there are promises that God has for you that you didn't really maybe look at as promises. But if you want to, for sure know, something is a promise from God when God says I will do X, Y, Z.
Man. I mean, and you could start with just words and read, you know, if you don't have a red letter Bible, you can maybe find one on the internet and read through where Jesus. We'll we'll we'll and maybe even just start with Jesus's teachings on prayer, you know, if [00:22:00] you will pray like this, if you will have faith, I will do just start with that.
And you'll be amazed how the word of God proves the word of God, you know, so you can dig into it and really begin to grow exponentially. When you really just start to say, I'm going to start with this verse, cause I don't really know how to find God's promises. I'm going to believe this one. And I'm going to expect the Lord to show me more.
As there are conflicting numbers, Tony, like from 3000 to 7,000 promises in the Bible, they're pretty inexhaustible. And once you really start looking for them, you're going to find them all over. But maybe ask God to give you a we'll promise. Something where he says, I will. That is, that is for you Proverbs, you know, three verses five and six.
You can start with a common well-known one and build from there because the holy spirit, Spirit's a perfect teacher.
Tony: Is there a gospel that you point people to, to kind of start like, Hey, start in John, or start in mark or Matthew or Luke.
Jan: I go back to the old school and this is [00:23:00] old school, but it works so well.
And thank God we have like smartphones with every version of the Bible. But if you really want to get your worldwide. Get the games and read Matthew, mark, Luke and John. And when you get to John, when you read those four books in that order, and you get to John in the king, James, you're going to have your mind blown.
You're going to see things in a way. There's just something amazing about reading those four books in that. In the king James. And when you get to John, it's just going to all come alive and you're going to see promises flying off the page. So that's the king James. I don't, I don't, I have,
Tony: I'm gonna say I don't, I don't normally I will sometimes parallel the king James version NIV and parallel just means, you know, kind of lay them side by side.
So if I'm preaching a message, I'll pull up a king James, and then I. Preach and teach out of the NIV and then I'll pull up a message just to see if, yeah, I'm always looking for, you know, what the holy Spirit's saying in each different version. [00:24:00] Do you do that a lot with God's promises to I do.
Jan: I will vet them through and vet's the wrong word, but you know what I mean?
Like I'm doing that research on as many translations as I need to, and I'm always listening spirit to. Sometimes he'll just say, just go look in the Christian standard Bible. It will be like, that is exactly the verbiage that will really resonate with my listeners or the amplified. I really love it because it adds in so many extra words.
We don't always get the, not everybody is going to go get their Strongs and open it up and see what did this word mean in the Greek or in the Hebrew. And we don't always understand. That language is rich and a little bit both of those, but the Hebrew is so different than English that's actions can be so different from one Bible version to another.
It's not always that they're so different. It's that it's just not, it's hard to get the full depth of it. So I kind of like to start with my amplified. And then from there, go to, I like the NLT. I [00:25:00] like the NIV. The ESV is hard for me to memorize. I gotta be honest if it's a great translation, but I can't memorize it.
And then a parallel Bible, you know, you can have two side by side, which yeah, that works for a well too.
Tony: If you study God's word long enough, you're you want all the Bibles. And I used the YouVersion tray. I used the YouVersion Bible app, especially when I'm discipling other guys. And we read that things together because then you can, there's a built-in kind of message function back and forth, which makes it helpful for.
Discussion, but I, I really liked that. Yeah. You mentioned earlier about praying a promise and, and prayer is a big part of your ministry too. And I I'm curious, what does, you know, kind of, what, what are the essential kind of bones to praying a promise? How do you, if no one's ever done that before, how do you set up.
Jan: Oh, yeah. Gosh, let me, I'm actually just going to grab something I wrote a while ago. Cause that's all, this is, it's a prayer journal for parents and it just has a [00:26:00] verse and then a like a prayer prompt. So I just randomly opened it to a page. Isaiah 54 13 says I will teach all your children and they will enjoy great peace.
So first is how I would read. I will, I will teach all your children and they will enjoy great peace. And then my prayer prompt was just today. I pray that this first would be true in each of my children's lives. May your peace Lord encompass them as they sit at your feet and learn of you daily. I just take the verse, kind of pick it apart and pray each part of it over myself, over my, you know, your spouse, your work situation your children.
Your friends, your ministry, your pastor, and please be praying for your pastor. I don't know if that's a good answer about it, but that's how I do it. I just pray it piece, pull it apart. What does it say? And I'm asking God for those exact things, and then we'll always end it by saying it's going to sound kind of snooty, but it's not snooty because this is new Testament.
Jesus said when he in the parable is on prayer, you know, [00:27:00] he said, You can be importuning in prayer. You can like pound on that door and ask. And sometimes I remind myself that I'm, I can be like a child. Okay. You're a dad, you get this, you said, dad, you said, you said, you said, what are we going to do that you said?
And I will remind myself that I can come to God with that kind of belief. If, if you promised when your kids something and they say, dad, you said. You're going to do it, you know, you said you would do it. I can have that same kind of belief in whatever. I just prayed from God's word because he said it. And so I'll say, you said, thank you, Jesus, that you said, thank you, father, that you said amen.
You said it, let it be done.
Tony: I love that. How has teaching people about prayer and about God's promises changed your relationship with God?
Jan: Yeah, that's a big one, because that was a hard calling for me to step into, because what if their prayers, I mean, this is the deepest places of their heart. What if they're not [00:28:00] answered?
And I'm the leader and I have led them, you know, telling them trust God, pray big, bold daring prayers, go out on a limb with Jesus in your prayer life. Go back to what Jesus taught about prayer and pray like that. And then what if. What if they don't get the answer they want. That was hard. That was really hard.
I fought with God a lot on that one, because it felt like it just it's so big. But then I just had to come back to what we've. I believe that God's word is true. I believe that God keeps all of his promises and I believe that prayer is something he has given to us. And so we need to engage in it. It's our communication with our father who loves us so much.
He has a variety of things that we need to do with prayer. Prayer is not just one thing. Prayer is like that really good. Seven day seven layer dip. You know, like, I mean, there are layers to prayer that you just keep finding, the more you press. And so for me personally, I had to, every time still, every time, just yesterday, when I jumped onto them and [00:29:00] I had you just have to check yourself right.
And say, you really believe this Jan. Cause you know, you're going in here to teach them something that's big. It's bigger than you give it to Jesus. And I go in and say what he wants me to say from his word, not my words. I want it to be based on his word. I pray and I pray and belief, and that has been so good to, well, my belief in prayer as a.
To teach other women. Well, I'm sure you found that as a pastor, that you've just leading people, changes your walk so much.
Tony: Just it's a constant reminder of all the things I don't know. Oh yeah. Yeah. You've got a brand new course coming out here on Psalm 91. And if you've never read Psalm 91, it is, it's a great song.
It's all about resting in the Lord and dwelling in the shelter of the most high. And there's some really great refuge. And so tell us a little about who you're writing the course for and what you hope to get out of it. And when does it. Yeah, for sure.
Jan: [00:30:00] Well, who I'm writing it for? It's funny. I have, I went Psalm 91 for 17 weeks, the last 17 weeks of 2021 with women in my prayer group, verse by verse, you know, one week at a time.
And there's some big stuff in there, Tony, like, God, he makes them, if you've never read some money, when you got to read it, it is, it is crazy. One of the best things you can do for your walk with the Lord I've found is spend 30 days reading that Psalm every day, about day 10, you're going to be like, what am I doing?
This is like, I'm saying it by row, you get today 30, your life will be changed because you really have taken in God's word and like ingested it and it's become a so I led them first and several of them were like, you've got to put this into some kind of course content you've got to. So the course will be, I'd hoped to have it out by the end of April.
I'm now going to shoot for May 15th. And it actually found a new platform that I think I'm going to publish it on. In fact, I'm certain I'm going to publish it on. That's gonna be. It'll be private content, so you've got to sign up and pay for the course, but you can listen to it. [00:31:00] Just be all listening, right.
So you can listen to. On whatever podcast player you automatically, you know, whatever you listen to, you're just going to hit a button and it'll play writing your podcast player, and then you can access the PDFs elsewhere, but you don't have to have, like, you don't have to feel like you have to sit and listen.
Podcasts are king right now because people can listen to them while they're doing 8 million other things. So I'm going to shoot for may. 15th is my goal to have that done. It's a lot. You don't want to do it right. And do it well because it's a very. Part of God's word, but if you want to be encouraged about God's promises and really step into praying some big, bold daring, Chris, this is going to be it.
Cause I'm not, I'm not holding back at all.
Tony: So, so Psalm 91, verse five is one of the ones that I held on to when I was stepping out of pastoral ministry and and just how it was just a bizarre, really hard season. And. It's so you should go read Psalm 91, verse five, and I'm not [00:32:00] going to tell you what it is.
I'm going to let you go look it up because it's it really just inspires me and I, I just love it so much. So this is also rich and I do have one more question for you, but before I ask it where can the people, all of this incredible community. Here at the podcast, find you and get connected and be a part of your prayer groups or this course, or w where can they find all things?
Jan: Jan, Albert, yeah, everything is pretty much on the, I call it my, the runway. Like you can come and land. Let me refuel. You let me get disembarked some junk off your plane that you don't need for your next leg. Let's put some things on your plane for your next leg of the journey and then take off and off you go.
That's what I can see. Right to be my, the runway. So it's constantly changing to be the best possible runway, but it's just my name, J a N middle initial, L B U R t.com. And right on that first page, you land on, if you scroll down just a smidge, there's a place to drop your email. And that is how you're going to get this course, as soon as it comes out.
And if you scroll down a little bit more, that's the link to join my program [00:33:00] and my prayer group is free. So that is I just do. Just to love on people. So I went, I would love to have people join. So that is where you can find me just my name.
Tony: That's awesome. That's awesome. Okay. Last question. I always love to ask people, and it's an advice question where you give yourself one piece of advice, except I get the name, the date and the time, and you already know what I'm going to say, because we talked about this.
We talked about this in Nashville and so. I'm going to ask you to pull up a chair right in front of that younger version of you almost seven years ago. Now, the day after you found out about your heart failure diagnosis, after that that crazy doctor pounded on your chest and told you that this was.
Yep. So if you look at that younger version of Jan in the eyes and you hold their hands, as you said needed D what's the one thing that you're going to tell her?
Jan: Yeah, this is, I gotta be honest. I've told you in Nashville, I have not cried [00:34:00] about my it's. Just not who I am. I'm not a big crier. I've not cried about this, but maybe a handful of times in seven years.
Mostly when I see my kids emotional about. And you told me that question, but that's what you ask on your podcast. And I immediately went to tears and I thought, wow, this is so rich. What a fantastic question. I cannot believe the insight that you get from people through that question. So yeah, I kind of did know in advance and I felt bad.
Like it's not really fair that I've heard it before, but I definitely would tell myself this is going to be a long road, but you're going to. With Jesus. Don't get too wrapped up in the, in the dailies. You know, so often we hear live, just live in the day and live in the moment. Yeah. You want to do that, but when you're dealing with something where you feel like you're waiting for the hammer to fall, I would say Jan, don't live day to day waiting for the hammer to fall.
You got to hold the hand of Jesus and you've got to be. You're a lifer, you're a long holler in this with him. And and feel your emotions when you feel them. It felt very strange about the medication that [00:35:00] suppressed my emotions. And I knew at times I should have been feeling something I wasn't feeling.
And, and one of the first medications they put me on, I had eight heart attacks in about five days trying to reset my heart rhythm. I think I would give myself permission to kind of freak out with the Lord it over those things. Yeah. What just, I don't know if that's the advice that I would have needed to know.
It's okay to have a little freak out and it's okay if you are doing the dishes and that's when this hits you and you start to cry. That's all right. You just do that. Just do that.
Tony: Okay. I'm going to surprise you. And I'm going to ask one more advice question for yourself, and I want to take you back to the day before you found out about your heart failure.
Wow. What would you tell yourself?
Jan: Wow. Okay. So do I, like, I don't know about the heart failure at all.
Tony: We don't know. Yeah. You're getting ready to go into a doctor's appointment with a cardiologist. You've gotten two phone calls from doctors while you're on vacation. [00:36:00] And you know, you, you probably know in your gut that something's about to hit the fan.
What are you telling yourself the Mo the day before the, you get this life-changing piece of news?
Jan: Yeah. I think I would go back and tell myself. Get a promise. So this is all before I was podcasting. Right. I would say get a promise, get in the word and get a promise. I probably would have turned honestly to some 1 0 3 Psalm 91 or Psalm 37.
Cause those are kind of my, or maybe even just some one, cause those are really great hunks of scripture for great promises. That's what I would have told myself. Get a promise. But that'd be running through your mind through this entire appointment. Like just keep that front and center.
Tony: Yeah, that's really good.
Jane, thank you so much for being a friend and for what you're doing for the kingdom of God. And I'm so excited to see this course when it comes out. And I just can't wait to hear about all that God does in and through it. So.
Jan: Yeah, thanks for having me. I love your [00:37:00] podcast. And I'm telling you that the greatest blessing with the people that I met in Nashville, like you said earlier, the content was great.
The conference was great, but connecting with people who are doing like-minded kingdom work, just man, that's like a, that's like the gravy, right? I mean, on top of the potatoes, that's the extra that makes life so good.
Tony: What a great conversation with Jan. I love her heart for the Lord. I love the way that she's living one day at a time intentionally, and with God's promises on her.
Do me a favor and say some prayers for her that she can use to journey in her medical path as she moves forward and and subscribe to her podcast. Let her know that you heard her here on the reclamation podcast. It's a great way to live into God's promises. Thank you guys so much. And remember, if you want to follow Jesus, you must be willing to move.
